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Thursday, 11 August 2016

New DNA Testing on 2,000-Year-Old Elongated Paracas Skulls Changes Known History


New DNA Testing on 2,000-Year-Old Elongated Paracas Skulls Changes Known History

A Paracas elongated skull and an artist’s impression based on a digital reconstruction.  
A Paracas elongated skull and an artist’s impression based on a digital reconstruction. Credit: Marcia Moore / Ciamar Studio

 



The elongated skulls of Paracas in Peru caused a stir in 2014 when a geneticist that carried out preliminary DNA testing reported that they have mitochondrial DNA “with mutations unknown in any human, primate, or animal known so far”. Now a second round of DNA testing has been completed and the results are just as controversial – the skulls tested, which date back as far as 2,000 years, were shown to have European and Middle Eastern Origin. These surprising results change the known history about how the Americas were populated.

Paracas is a desert peninsula located within Pisco Province on the south coast of Peru.  It is here where Peruvian archaeologist, Julio Tello, made an amazing discovery in 1928 – a massive and elaborate graveyard containing tombs filled with the remains of individuals with the largest elongated skulls found anywhere in the world. These have come to be known as the ‘Paracas skulls’. In total, Tello found more than 300 of these elongated skulls, some of which date back around 3,000 years.


Elongated skulls on display at Museo Regional de Ica in the city of Ica in Peru
Elongated skulls on display at Museo Regional de Ica in the city of Ica in Peru (public domain)


Strange Features of the Paracas Skulls


It is well-known that most cases of skull elongation are the result of cranial deformation, head flattening, or head binding, in which the skull is intentionally deformed by applying force over a long period of time. It is usually achieved by binding the head between two pieces of wood, or binding in cloth. However, while cranial deformation changes the shape of the skull, it does not alter other features that are characteristic of a regular human skull.

In a recent interview with Ancient Origins, author and researcher LA Marzulli describes how some of the Paracas skulls are different to ordinary human skulls:

“There is a possibility that it might have been cradle headboarded, but the reason why I don’t think so is because the position of the foramen magnum is back towards the rear of the skull. A normal foramen magnum would be closer to the jaw line…”


LA Marzulli points to the position of the foramen magnum in a Paracas skull which is also the point at which they drilled in order to extract bone powder for DNA testing.
LA Marzulli points to the position of the foramen magnum in a Paracas skull which is also the point at which they drilled in order to extract bone powder for DNA testing.


Marzulli explained that an archaeologist has written a paper about his study of the position of the foramen magnum in over 1000 skulls. “He states that the Paracas skulls, the position of the foramen magnum is completely different than a normal human being, it is also smaller, which lends itself to our theory that this is not cradle headboarding, this is genetic.”

In addition, Marzulli described how some of the Paracas skulls have a very pronounced zygomatic arch (cheek bone), different eye sockets and no sagittal suture, which is a connective tissue joint between the two parietal bones of the skull.


The pronounced cheek bones can be seen in artist Marcia Moore’s interpretation of how the Paracas people looked based on a digital reconstruction from the skulls.
The pronounced cheek bones can be seen in artist Marcia Moore’s interpretation of how the Paracas people looked based on a digital reconstruction from the skulls. Marcia Moore / Ciamar Studio


In a normal human skull, there should be a suture which goes from the frontal plate … clear over the dome of the skull separating the parietal plates - the two separate plates – and connecting with the occipital plate in the rear,” said Marzulli. “We see many skulls in Paracas that are completely devoid of a sagittal suture.

There is a disease known as craniosynostosis, which results in the fusing together of the two parietal plates, however, Marzulli said there is no evidence of this disease in the Paracas skulls.


The sagittal suture, highlighted in red, separates the two parietal plates
The sagittal suture, highlighted in red, separates the two parietal plates (public domain)

LA Marzulli shows the top of one of the Paracas skulls, which has no sagittal suture.
LA Marzulli shows the top of one of the Paracas skulls, which has no sagittal suture.


DNA Testing

The late Sr. Juan Navarro, owner and director of the Museo Arqueologico Paracas, which houses a collection of 35 of the Paracas skulls, allowed the taking of samples from three of the elongated skulls for DNA testing, including one infant. Another sample was obtained from a Peruvian skull that had been in the US for 75 years. One of the skulls was dated to around 2,000 years old, while another was 800 years old.

The samples consisted of hair and bone powder, which was extracted by drilling deeply into the foramen magnum. This process, Marzulli explained, is to reduce the risk of contamination. In addition, full protective clothing was worn.

The samples were then sent to three separate labs for testing – one in Canada, and two in the United States. The geneticists were only told that the samples came from an ancient mummy, so as not to create any preconceived ideas.  


LA Marzulli holding up a replica of one of the Paracas skulls that was tested
LA Marzulli holding up a replica of one of the Paracas skulls that was tested


Surprising Results


From the samples, only the mitochondrial DNA (DNA from the mother’s side) could be extracted. Out of four hair samples, one of them couldn’t be sequenced. The remaining three hair samples all showed a Haplogroup (genetic population group) of H2A, which is found most frequently in Eastern Europe, and at a low frequency in Western Europe. The bone powder from the most elongated skull tested came back as T2B, which originates in Mesopotamia and what is now Syria, essentially the heart of the fertile crescent. “It rewrites history as we know it,” said Marzulli.

“If these results hold,” writes Brien Foerster on his website Hidden Inca Tours, “the history of the migration of people to the Americas is far more complex than we have been told previously.”

If these results are confirmed through further tests, it means that peoples from Europe and the Middle East migrated to the Americas long before it is conventionally believed.

Marzulli said that mainstream academics will probably attack these results by pointing to the fact that he is not a scientist, but he urges any skeptic to replicate the study. “Attack the evidence folks. Go down and get your own samples, pay for a DNA lab and then come back to me with your science… do some science like we’ve done,” he said. The full lab reports of the DNA tests are available in LA Marzulli’s book Nephilim Hybrids.

The results are also consistent with the fact that many of the Paracas skulls still contain traces of red hair, a color that is not natively found in South America, but originates in the Middle East and Europe.

“No academics as far as we can tell can explain why some of the skulls that still have hair are red or even blonde,” writes Brien Foerster, “the idea that this is from time or bleaching has NOW been disproven by 2 hair experts. For the ancient Paracas people, at least, they had blonde to reddish hair that is 30% thinner than NATIVE American hair. It is GENETIC!”


A Paracas skull with its red hair. Credit: Brien Foerster
A Paracas skull with its red hair. Credit: Brien Foerster


Extra-terrestrial Hypothesis


Due to the unusual shape and features of the Paracas skulls, there has long been speculation that they are extra-terrestrial in origin, and many have hoped that DNA testing would prove that to be the case.

“As regards an “alien” component or ancestry to the skulls, we may never know,” writes Brien Foerster. “The DNA testing programs can only compare sample DNA with those that are known, and those are held in a huge database called Gentech in the US. Further testing with cooperation from Peruvian archaeologists and the Ministry of Culture are now ongoing.”

Nevertheless, LA Marzulli explained that the DNA results fit perfectly with the hypothesis he has held since before any testing was undertaken. That is that the Paracas people are the Nephilim. The Nephilim, according to ancient Biblical texts, are the offspring of the Fallen Angels and the women of earth, resulting in a hybrid entity, and they said to be based in the area of the Levant, the same place that the Paracas DNA traces to.

Whether or not this hypothesis is correct, the results of the DNA tests are dramatic and history changing and further testing may help to unravel the complex history of the Paracas people.


Next Steps


LA Marzulli and colleagues have plans for further testing and are currently working with Peruvian and American archaeologists. They have verbal permission from the head archaeologist of a Peruvian Museum to take more samples. These will then be presented to the Ministry of Culture for final consent before the samples are taking to US labs for testing. This process is expected to take at least a couple of years to complete.

The full account of the investigation and DNA testing is shown in LA Marzulli’s latest video Watchers 10, which can be ordered here.






Top image: A Paracas elongated skull and an artist’s impression based on a digital reconstruction. Credit: Marcia Moore / Ciamar Studio




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Monday, 9 February 2015

Coneheads Were Real - and Natural


Coneheads Were Real - and Natural

 Elongated Skulls in utero - Morton Collection

Elongated Skulls in Utero: 

A Farewell to the Artificial Cranial Deformation Paradigm?

 

 


 

Elongated skulls are usually explained in terms of head-binding or artificial cranial deformation. This paradigm emerged in the first half of the 19th century as a way of explaining unusual skulls discovered in Europe and South America, in places such as Crimea and Peru respectively. The main idea behind the head-binding paradigm is that ALL elongated skulls are a result of intentional modification of the form of the skull by applying external pressure. In other words, ALL elongated skulls are merely deformed ‘normal’ skulls similar to those of modern humans.

Elongated Skull from Crimea and other parts of the worlds, Baer 1860
Elongated Skull from Crimea and other parts of the worlds, Baer 1860


What evidence could challenge this paradigm? Right – the existence of fetuses with elongated skulls, i.e. evidence that such skulls already had an elongated shape in utero, before any head-binding was possible. Do we have such evidence? Yes, we do! Moreover, this evidence has been known to the academic community for over 163 years!

Rivero and Tschudi in Peruvian Antiquities (1851 Spanish, 1853 English) argue that the protagonists of the artificial cranial deformation hypothesis are mistaken, since they had only considered the skulls of adults. In other words, the hypothesis fails to take into account the skulls of infants and, most importantly, foetuses which had similar elongated skull shape.

It is worth quoting Rivero and Tschudi:

“We ourselves have observed the same fact [of the absence of signs of artificial pressure – IG] in many mummies of children of tender age, who, although they had cloths about them, were yet without any vestige or appearance of pressure of the cranium. More still: the same formation of the head presents itself in children yet unborn; and of this truth we have had convincing proof in the sight of a foetus, enclosed in the womb of a mummy of a pregnant woman, which we found in a cave of Huichay, two leagues from Tarma, and which is, at this moment, in our collection [my emphasis – IG].

Lithograph by D. Leopoldo Mueller from the Spanish 1851 Edition of Peruvian Antiquities
Lithograph by D. Leopoldo Mueller from the Spanish 1851 Edition of Peruvian Antiquities


Professor D’Outrepont, of great Celebrity in the department of obstetrics, has assured us that the foetus is one of seven months’ age. It belongs, according to a very clearly defined formation of the cranium, to the tribe of the Huancas. We present the reader with a drawing of this conclusive and interesting proof in opposition to the advocates of mechanical action as the sole and exclusive cause of the phrenological [i.e. cranial – no negative connotation at that time - IG] form of the Peruvian race.


"The same proof is to be found in another mummy which exists in the museum of Lima, under the direction of Don M. E. de Rivero."


Mark Laplume’s reconstruction of the Rivero and Tschudi’s foetus
Mark Laplume’s reconstruction of the Rivero and Tschudi’s foetus


Elongated skulls of infants were available to European researchers as early as 1838. The skulls of “Ancient Peruvians” were also in Samuel Morton’s collection in Philadelphia.

Two elongated infant skulls, which Rivero and Tschudi mention in Peruvian Antiquities were discovered and brought to England by Captain Blankley and presented to the Museum of the Devon and Cornwall Natural History Society in 1838. Dr. Bellamy provided a detailed description of these skulls in 1842, suggesting that they belonged to two infants – male and female, few months and about a year old respectively. He indicated substantial structural differences from those of “normal” infant skulls and the absence of the signs of artificial pressure, as well as their similarity to other “Titicacan” skulls in the Museum of the College of Surgeons in London.


Lithographs of the skulls by J. Basire from Bellamy's article (1842) and Mark Laplume's artistic reconstructions
Lithographs of the skulls by J. Basire from Bellamy's article (1842) and Mark Laplume's artistic reconstructions


The evidence of elongated skulls present in fetuses and children had lead Rivero and Tschudi, Bellamy, Graves and others to a hypothesis that these skulls belonged to an extinct race of people, who left their legacy on the populations who succeeded them as a practice of artificial cranial deformation. I discuss this hypothesis in more detail in The Looming Collapse Of The Artificial Cranial Deformation Paradigm. Part 1. Un/Born With Elongated Head and Part 2. Naturally Elongated.

The question now is how it happened that the cranial deformation paradigm became so prevalent? The answer to a large extent consists in the authority of Morton’s expert opinion and his extensive collection of skulls, which is now located in the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology. His influence was significant enough at the time to close the debate on elongated skulls for the next century and a half; until independent researchers, and I would like to mention Robert Connolly (who popularized elongated skulls in mid 1990s) and Brien Foerster, in particular, started to raise questions about the validity of the cranial deformation hypothesis by locating and showing elongated skulls to the public interested in finding out the true story of human origins.


Lithographs by John Collins, 1839 from Samuel Morton's 'Crania Americana'
Lithographs by John Collins, 1839 from Samuel Morton's 'Crania Americana'


In Crania Americana Morton offered a description of peculiar elongated skulls which differed from the elongated skulls produced by various artificial means. He suggested that the territory of Peru and Bolivia was previously inhabited by the race of “Ancient Peruvians”.

“I have been so fortunate as to have the examination, in my own and other collections, of nearly one hundred Peruvian crania: and the result is, that Peru appears to have been at different times peopled by two nations of differently formed crania, one of which is perhaps extinct, or at least exists only as blended by adventitious circumstances, in various remote and scattered tribes of the present Indian race. Of these t wo families, that which was antecedent to the appearance of the Incas is designated as the Ancient Peruvian, of which the remains have hitherto been found only in Peru, and especially in that division of it now called Bolivia.”

Although Ancient Peruvians had naturally elongated skulls, Morton concluded that they further tried to articulate this feature by head binding. This is an interesting observation in itself, since it raises a question why a race with naturally elongated skulls would aspire to further elongate them. Perhaps they were also preceded by a race whose skulls were even more elongated?


Morton Collection, Skull #1277
Morton Collection, Skull #1277, University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, the Open Research Scan Archive at Penn, and Janet Monge and P. Thomas Schoenemann; image in front from Meigs, 1857


Subsequently, Morton changed his opinion and started to consider all elongated skulls as an exclusive result of head-binding. However, in light of Rivero and Tschudi’s fetuses with elongated skulls, as well as hundreds of infant and children elongated skulls which are now available to researchers, it is necessary to open the debate about “Ancient Peruvians” and their counterparts (see my interview with Mark Laplume) in other part of the world.

Accordingly, it is necessary to revisit Morton’s original encounter with elongated skulls. This is how he originally described cranial features of Ancient Peruvians:

“[The head] is small, greatly elongated, narrow its whole length, with a very retreating forehead, and possessing more symmetry than is usual in skulls of the American race. The face projec ts, the upper jaw is thrust forward , and the teeth are inclined outward . The orbits of the eyes are large and rounded, the nasal bones salient, the zygomatic arches expanded; and there is a remarkable simplicity in the sutures that connect the bones of the cranium.”


Morton Collection, Skull #1681
Morton Collection, Skull #1681, University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, the Open Research Scan Archive at Penn, and Janet Monge and P. Thomas Schoenemann


Given that there are at least two mummies containing foetuses with elongated skulls, in addition to hundreds of infant and children with elongated crania (see Children Of The ‘Elongated Skulls’ As A Challenge To The ‘Artificial Cranial Deformation’ Theory and RootRaceResearch), a priority task for the academic community would be to identify the physical location of the mummies and proceed to DNA analysis, which is currently done by independent researcher and enthusiasts who lack infrastructural and financial resources and face significant obstacles in obtaining necessary permissions. It is worth noting that we deal with very old DNA, the analysis of which is a complex and expensive procedure.

Featured image: Morton Collection, “Ancient Peruvian” skull #496, University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology, the Open Research Scan Archive at Penn, and Janet Monge and P. Thomas Schoenemann


References:

Von Baer, Karl Ernst. Makrokephalen im Boden der Krim und Ă–sterreichs. St. Petersburg. 1860.
Bellamy, P. F. A brief Account of two Peruvian Mummies in the Museum of the Devon and Cornwall Natural History Society. in ‘Annals and Magazine of Natural History’. Vol. X. October 1842.
Graves, Robert J.  Remarkable Skulls Found in Peru. No.15 of the Dublin Journal of Medical and Chemical Sciences. 1835.
Meigs, J. Aitken. Catalogue of Human Crania in the Collection of the Academie of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia: Based Upon the Third Edition of Dr. Morton's " Catalogue of Skulls". Philadelphia. 1857.
Morton, Samuel George. Crania Americana; or, A Comparative View of the Skulls of Various Aboriginal Nations of North and South America. To which is Prefixed an Essay on the Varieties of the Human Species. London. 1839.
Rivero, M.E., Tschudi, J.D. AntigĂ¼edades peruanas. Vienna, 1851 (Spanish). Rivero, M.E., von Tschudi, J.J. Peruvian antiquities. New York, 1853 (English).


Unravelling the Genetics of Elongated Skulls –

Transcript of Interview with Brien Foerster

 

 

 Elongated Skull in Paracas - Interview transcript 

See video below



 

 

Here we present the transcript of an interview conducted between April Holloway of Ancient Origins, and Brien Foerster, researcher and author, on the subject of elongated skulls in Paracas. In particular, the interview covers a recent announcement that was made in relation to genetic testing that was carried out on one of the Paracas skulls.

April:      Brien, thanks very much for joining Ancient Origins for this interview about the elongated skulls in Paracas. Some of our viewers will have already seen an interview we had some time ago about research around elongated skulls, but I am really enthusiastic about this interview because it relates to a recent announcement you made relating to some genetic testing that has been done on one of the skulls found in Paracas. To begin with, could you give just a little bit of background about the Paracas skulls in particular and what makes them different from other elongated skulls that have been found?

Brien:    Well, what’s kind of intriguing is if you look on the internet at any photo website, and if you put in something like ‘alien skull’ or ‘human-hybrid skull’, quite often the Paracas skulls show up, predominantly because they are so large in size, some of them are very natural looking, and also there are so many of them that have been found, which is quite intriguing.

April:      So would you say that some of the features that these skulls have ruled out the possibility of cranial deformation, processes like head flattening or head binding, which are known to have happened in other cases of elongated skulls?

Brien:    Well that is the curious point in that cranial deformation is known to have occurred in many different parts of the world, most prominently about 2,000 years ago, from the Middle East, even Melanesia, and Central America, but because I have been intimately engaged with the elongated skulls at Paracas, and the Paracas culture in general that died out 2,000 years ago, I have had the opportunity to look in person at numerous of the skulls, as well as hundreds which are in collections all around the world. And some of them I would say, possibly between 5 – 10% of them, do not show obvious signs of cradle boarding or other forms of cranial deformation, which generally tends to create flat surfaces, either in the forehead or the back of the head. Some of these literally look like they are natural in appearance.

April:      I have also heard that some of the other features include increased volume and increased weight compared to other skulls. Is that not something that could also happen as a result of head flattening, where through the process of binding, the size actually increases, or is that absolutely not possible?

Brien:    Well from the Doctors that I have spoken to, they have said that you can alter the shape of the skull but you cannot increase the size of the skull. The skull is genetically predetermined to have a certain volume and so it is much like… an analogy I have is pottery where if you have a piece of green ware which is a pot which is not quite dried yet, you can alter its shape, but you can’t change the volume of it itself.  Some people have stated that the reason why the Paracas could have had denser skulls or be heavier etc. is the result of their diet or malnutrition or whatever, and the thing is that they had an incredible diet of seafood as well as terrestrial plants. They probably actually ate better than most of us do today.

April:      So the study of these skulls is becoming a lot more interesting now that we have the technology for extracting DNA and analysing DNA. Before any testing was undertaken, did you have any theories yourself about what might be found?

Brien:    Well I didn’t want to conjecture anything. Of course, I have had many different ideas but I’ve been waiting for actual DNA analysis and that has taken an incredibly long time, mainly due to lack of funding and also finding a geneticist who is open to studying this, doing it at a fraction of the normal cost that it would cost commercially, and importantly, we wanted to do this independently because going through any governmental or private foundation would probably result in the results either being deleted or altered, or being kept for purposes other than my intent, and my intent simply is to find the truth as to who these people were.

April:      Can you explain a bit about the testing process that actually took place or has taken place so far?

Brien:    Well it is a very complex process and most people don’t realise this because they think: ‘Well, DNA testing is quite simple now, I can go and have a blood sample extracted and be told within a few days all of my genetic ancestry’, but what you have to take into account is that the last of the Paracas died 2,000 years ago, and so you are talking about 2,000 years of the degeneration of the material. The late Lloyd Pye, who I was acquainted with very personally and professionally because of his fascination with this, his analogy is that to take a sample and analyse it from somebody who is living is the equivalent of looking at or studying a crystal bowl because it is complicated and intact. And then he said the equivalent of ancient DNA is taking that crystal bowl and throwing it on a concrete floor because it becomes shattered into tiny little segments. So it is only the most recent sophisticated, extremely expensive DNA analysing equipment that can take all of those tiny segments and put them back together. So it has been very difficult who would pursue that. We actually have two different geneticists that worked but it happened to be this one who has had samples for more than two years who has given me this initial result which complete shocked him.

April:      So the thing most people really want to know is what exactly was found in that initial result?

Brien:    Basically what I can say is that he speculates that there are segments of the DNA of the Paracas which do not match anything in GenBank, which is the genetic database located in the United States that contains all known genetic DNA information. So he said there are segments which don’t seem to be any haplotype of human that we know of, also not related to Neanderthal or any other human-like being that has been studied so far.

April:      Quite incredible really. Now you have emphasised that this is phase one, or stage one of the testing. What then is the next stage after this one? Is it possible that this result is contaminated or is not accurate and that further stages may reveal something different?

Brien:    It is possible. However, this person who lives in the United States and has a doctorate, he does a lot of contract work for the US government so clearly the government wouldn’t choose someone who is flaky or sensationalist. He has taken a lot of time. It has been more than two years for him to give us the initial result of one sample so far. But he does have samples from three different skulls from Paracas and so what I am hoping is, and the reason why I released this information, is to try to generate interest from the public so that we can do a fundraiser in order to be able to study the other two skulls, as well as other samples from the three skulls themselves, so that we can replicate the tests as many times as possible to see whether or not this is an anomaly or whether it is something which is truly mind-blowing, I guess is the term.

April:      Yes, exactly. Is it possible, the fact that it doesn’t match anything in the GenBank, could it be that this is just a one-of-a-kind mutation, a mutation that hasn’t been seen before, and is just unique to that particular race of people?

Brien:    It could be, but again the whole study is so new and the Paracas are very mysterious people. No one has really studied them for about seventy years. The people that study them now study their textiles, but the whole idea, the fact that their skulls seem to be of a different shape, has been dismissed in general as being cranial deformation, but in fact nobody knows where the Paracas people came from. They lived on the coast of Peru and through my studies I believe that there is a certain percentage of their ancestry that comes from another part of the world because they also, amongst the royalty, seem to have had reddish-brown hair which is not a native American characteristic, and they were reasonably tall. Some specimens we found were 5’10 to 6 feet to even taller in height and that is quite atypical of a Native American person 2,000+ years ago living on the coast of Peru.

April:      So what is your opinion about these findings. Do you have a view about what this actually means, this result?

Brien:    The theory I am developing is that the Paracas are a mix of different types of people. The area they chose to live 2,000 years ago was much lusher than it is now, it would have been a perfect place for a society to live in terms of food production.  The fact that they had totora reeds, and still have totora growing on the coast of Peru, meant that they were capable of building not only little boats, but probably large ships out of reeds.  They had cotton to make sails and they could have been great seafarers.  I also believe that the famous Nazca people, who also occupied the area after the demise of the Paracas, could literally have wiped the Paracas culture out and absorbed their knowledge, absorbed some of their people who would have interbred with the Nazca.  But elongated skulls disappear in the Paracas area 2,000 years ago and that corresponds with the arrival of the Nazca who were a very war-like people.

April:      So you say a different mix of people. Now the thing on everyone’s mind is, are these skulls alien? Are they extra-terrestrial? When you say a different mix of people, do you think there is a possibility that a race of beings did arrive in this part of the country and perhaps bred with humans?  What’s your view on that?

Brien:    Well, I am open to the idea. The thing is, I don’t want to go too far in that direction yet because again, we’ve only had an initial result, but due to the fact that the geneticist has found segments of DNA that don’t correspond with anything, I think it is doubtful that they are a separate breed of humanity, because where would they have come from?  Again, the strange thing is this predominant aspect of these elongated skulls amongst the royal family is very, very odd. So future sampling, future results will either reinforce or dismiss the result we have.  I think we are looking at something very intriguing and I don’t dismiss the idea of there having been off-planet intervention or something, and Lloyd Pye was very strong with this idea, he simply said ‘these are not human beings’.

April:      Speaking of Lloyd Pye, are you doing anything to carry forward the research he was doing or do you know what is being done about the research that was being undertaken by Lloyd Pye?

Brien:    Yes, several months before his death, he passed the Starchild skull and the information on to a group of people because he knew he was ill, he wasn’t sure if he would recover, and so they are doing major fundraising. They have done a lot of genetic analysis, which people can see on Lloyd’s website. The thing is people really have to spend the time to read all of the information because you can’t get a full picture of what the Starchild is or was through 5 or 10 minutes of reading. There has been a lot of money and effort spent on Starchild and the unfortunate thing is that there is only one Starchild, whereas there are hundreds of Paracas skull, it’s amazing.  And the access is quite astonishing too because being related with this Paracas History Museum, I have assisted in building up the collection to 40 skulls so far and we are very open to researchers from around the world coming, whether they are doctors or geneticists or whoever, because we honestly want to get to the bottom of this and any outside help is very greatly appreciated.

April:      Well I guess the quantity really opens up the possibility to replicate these results and to keep everyone happy by doing those extra studies, having different researchers, using different skulls because then whatever the result will be, will be a lot more convincing after all that replication has been done.

Brien:    Yes, that’s exactly it. And any scientific test means that you have to be able to replicate it, and that’s why again this is an initial, you could even call it a teaser result, that I sent out to the public. Also a number of individuals assisted me in raising $7,000 to do some of the testing and I wanted them to know after 2 years that we actually did have something, that the money wasn’t absconded or blown on anything. It 100% went into it. We also have another geneticist working on completely other samples, that’s Dr Melba Ketchum from Texas who, of course, is embroiled heavily in Big Foot studies, which she has got a lot of flack from. But I still believe in her and there may be another one or two genetic study organisations that may come on board with this and so the more that do the analysis and the more cross-referencing we can do, the better for this whole project.

April:      There are a lot of people out there who are sceptical. They do question, or they want to see these results first-hand on paper, they want to know the name of the geneticist, the name of the institution, and they do become suspicious when some of these details aren’t yet available, how would you address those concerns?

Brien:    Well I have actually spoken to the geneticist about it and he said that he will be willing to address the public about this, but not after one test, because it is too easy for sceptics or whoever to rip his information apart and so as a scientist he wants to make sure that he’s done several replications and then when he is comfortable, then he will come forward himself and discuss what it is that he believes we are looking at.

April:      Ok that’s great, that’s really positive. So moving forward from here, what’s the time scale relating to further testing and also the fundraising process. If someone did want to get involved in this, what could they do?

Brien:    At the moment, I have been in discussions with someone who wants to set up and Indiegogo campaign about this and I have been discussing with him for about 5 months but the timing hasn’t been right because we’ve been preoccupied with other things. So probably within the next 2 or 3 months we will set up a campaign, very specifically targeted to very specific things, we will have a complete list where any funds will go, completely itemised. I will get nothing from it, just as I have received nothing financially from the previous fundraising that we did, and other samples have recently gone to the geneticist from a third party and I am still waiting for some kind of result from Dr Melba Ketchum. She has tried to actually get at least one, if not more, laboratories in the US to do complete genome studies which is very complicated and technically would cost an absolute fortune, upwards of at least $100,000 so we are hoping that other geneticists will be able to volunteer their time and the use of their equipment for the good of, basically we are doing this for the good of humanity, not for any kind of personal benefit.

April:      Yes, I mean the knowledge is incredibly important, regardless of what these skulls end up being, human or otherwise, it is still important for unravelling the history of our past. These are obviously an incredibly mysterious group of people.

Brien:    Well definitely. The things is that since elongated skulls have also been found amongst the Olmecs of Mexico, also in, people have said Russia, it’s not really Russia, it’s actually the area of Georgia, and in that area there are quite a number of elongated skulls that have been found there that date back about 2,000 years. And actually, I have been mapping where this process has existed all over the world and so what I am trying to do is to set up some kind of concept of migration pattern or, in fact, were these different groups genetically related? We don’t know yet, it is an ongoing procedure but I am very thankful that you wanted to cover this story at this time because we are at the beginning and any time that I get more information I am more than willing to share it with you.

April:      Thanks very much Brien, we really appreciate you informing us of everything going on and we really look forward to the updates that you provide as things progress.

Brien:    Thank you and your organisation. Ancient Origins, is a phenomenal success. I am very much a fan, many other people are, you are growing very rapidly and it is wonderful that such a group as yourselves are presenting this information to a global audience because in the past it’s always been little small groups of people trying to do what you are attempting and you are doing an incredibly good job at it.

April:      Thanks very much, really appreciate it.



From Ancient Origins @ http://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/elongated-skulls-utero-farewell-artificial-cranial-deformation-paradigm-002526 and http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/initial-dna-analysis-paracas-transcript-399284


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