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Wednesday, 23 May 2012

Ancient & Lost Civilisations

Ancient & Lost Civilisations
Trade Professional (RE: Ancient Monuments): "I can not build even one wall. Here's a theory."


by Sahabi

[ * As of today, the Ancient Aliens/Astronaut Theory is unfalsifiable. Though it is plausible, I am not a proponent of the A.A. theory. This will illustrate my favored theory as best as possible, while attempting to refute some common A.A. rationalizations. I will be relying on my trade profession as a starting point * ]


These are the tools of my trade. I am a precision machinist. I machine a multitude of steel, iron, and aluminum alloys to precision specifications for various customers in the automotive and aviation industries, mining and excavating companies, alternative energy companies, and the U.S. Government, to name a few. I've made molds and parts ranging in size from a piece of candy up to the size of a standard vehicle.

Precision Measurements:

An average sheet of paper is 0.004 inches or 0.1016 millimeters thick, and an average human hair is about 0.003 inches or 0.0762 millimeters thick.
I regularly machine metal to a precision measurement of 0.001 inches or 0.0254 millimeters according to blueprint and drawing dimensions. In rare circumstances, I can machine to a precision measurement of 0.0001 inches or 0.00254 millimeters.


The tools used to machine metals are pretty intense. You need tools that are harder and stronger than the material you are cutting, drilling, or milling. Some of the cutters I use are made of tungsten carbide and some even have a super hard titanium nitride coating. The tools are so tough that I need a diamond grindstone wheel to sharpen them. And even with these super tough tools, I still encounter tool wear, chips, and breaks.

Tungsten Carbide:

An inorganic chemical compound containing equal parts of tungsten and carbon atoms. Tungsten carbide is approximately three times stiffer than steel, with a Young's modulus of approximately 550 GPa, and is much denser than steel or titanium. It is comparable with corundum or sapphire in hardness and can only be polished and finished with abrasives of superior hardness such as cubic boron nitride and diamond amongst others, in the form of powder, wheels, and compounds.

Titanium Nitride:

An extremely hard ceramic material, often used as a coating on titanium alloys, steel, carbide, and aluminium components to improve the substrate's surface properties. Applied as a thin coating, it is used to harden and protect cutting surfaces.

Diamond Grindstone:

A grinding stone consisting of a mixture of diamond abrasive grains and metal powder.


The tools can't work on their own. You need machinery capable of moving and bearing the material's weight. You need machinery to create cutting movements, either by spinning the tool at high revolutions (rpm) or by spinning the material at a high rpm. You need the accurate movements of machinery to create consistent and perfect to near-perfect flat surfaces, finishes, lines, grooves, angles, arcs, radii, spheres, etching/engraving, etc.

(Note the orange coffee cup for scale)

The block you see on this table is roughly the size of a shoe-box. Notice the work-area table. Nothing larger than the table can be put on the machine. Notice the size of the machine in proportion to what can actually be made with the machine.

(Note the 2 forklifts/tow-motors to the left for scale)

The white part is the piece being made. The piece is actually taking up the maximum area of the work-area table. The length you see under the work-area table is only the range the table can travel and move. Notice the size of the machine in proportion to what can actually be made with the machine.

You also need the power of machinery to lift, move, and assemble.

This is a 15 ton capacity overhead crane. Notice the fact that the crane is supported by huge rails running the length of the building. This is what is needed to lift and move objects no larger than 15 tons.


To accomplish the complexities of this trade, thorough knowledge of trigonometry, calculus, geometry, algebra, conversions, and computer programming are needed. We either calculate by hand with graphing calculators and mathematical formulas, or the work is calculated by state-of-the-art computing and software programs.

Baalbek Foundation Stones - Lebanon
Yangshan Quarry - China
Stonehenge - England
Great Pyramid - Giza Plateau Egypt
Diquis Spheres - Costa Rica
Teotihuacan - Mexico
Chichen Itza - Yucatan Peninsula
Machu Picchu - Peru
Tiahuanacu  (Tiwanaku) - Bolivia
Puma Punku - Bolivia

Limestone, Granite, Andesite, and Diorite stones weighing hundreds, thousands, and tens of thousands of tons... cut, quarried, fashioned, transported, and assembled! 

Monuments built to advanced mathematical understandings. Structures built beyond modern day precision specifications.

Slaves built not a thing

I'm no stone mason, but if I were given the task of building any of these awesome structures, I would have to humbly refuse. Even if I were given the proper training to build such remarkable works, I would still refuse. I'm serious.

Many times while pondering at work, I become completely baffled at how these ancient structures were created. With my mathematical understandings, machine experience, and metal-working skills... I can not even fathom how these sites were made.

I told you guys what I'm capable of doing in the beginning of this thread. These ancient sites were built with even more precision than I can accomplish, with even larger and tougher buildings materials.

Sometimes it is very difficult to get a piece perfect. Sometimes a machinist will face hour upon hour of frustration to reach the required precision measurements. It is very difficult to machine separate parts that I interlock with another part. It is a headache to make something perfectly flat, or perfectly squared, or perfectly round. Sometimes we mess up and manage to save the piece by welding on new material and recutting. You can't weld stone. If we accidentally drop or bump a part, we can polish and fix it. Stone will crack and break...

I can not stress enough that even on the scale that I work with, it is extremely difficult to machine separate parts that fit together so precise that there are no gaps, and all edges are running parallel and true. It is not impossible, however, it takes much skill and is extremely difficult to fashion separate pieces that assemble with complete precision.

Not everyone can be a precision machinist. I have witnessed many people come into this trade and totally flake out. Either they have problems learning and operating the machinery, or they have problems with math, or they have problems reading blueprints or program language, or they do not have the proper feel to measure accurately. Some people just can't make a good or accurate part to save their life!

No way were any of these ancient structures built by forced slave labor! It would have taken advanced education, proper training, prior experience, and most importantly... the workers must have taken great pride in their work. If they do not pride themselves as craftsmen, the precision will be lacking. Trust me, it is honestly a labor of love to make an entire modern assembly to + or - 0.001 precision... and these monuments are bigger and more precise than that!

The Theory:

We, modern humans, are the product of a collective and global amnesia. We have faced near annihilation one or more times in the ancient past. We develop, we learn, we grow, we face global cataclysm, and we start over. We've had more than one stone age, more than one technological age, more than one aviation age, and more than one nuclear age.

Great Floods, Ice Ages, Volcanic Eruptions and Meteorite Impacts, Great Earthquakes, Nuclear War, and stories of past worlds and destroyed civilizations as described in the various religious texts and in the Homeric, Mayan, Hopi, Aztec, Incan, and Indian-Vedic traditions were influenced by true catastrophes in my opinion. Near human extinction and annihilation wiped out our history and caused our great knowledge to be lost.

Remarkably, the Human Genome Project supports the near extinction of mankind. Scientists and researchers have discovered a few genetic bottlenecks in our gene-pool, such as the
Toba Catastrophe Event. This means that on more than one occasion, humans were driven to near extinction, only very few mating pairs survived. And what's even more astounding, is that Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam date to different time periods! Meaning, even at our earliest beginnings, there were severe survival problems.

Consider the submerged structures and megaliths along the oceanic coastlines and under lakes and seas. These date beyond Giza, Stonehenge, or Baalbek. All logic points toward advanced civilization BEFORE this planet's last ice age!

The age of "Modern" man is now estimated at over 400,000 years... hominids and other non-modern humans date back millions of years. Our current academic knowledge of human history only accounts for mankind's last 10,000-12,000 years... that is a LOT of history unaccounted for!!!

If we are 400,000 years old and it took us 12,000 years to crawl out of the last stone age and into the space age... let's do some simple math: (400,000 divided by 12,000) That means we could have potentially risen and fallen 33 times! With enough time duration for 33 potential cycles, is it so far fetched to believe that there was at least one such cycle before our current one?

A city dated to 9,500 years old was found submerged
120 feet beneath the waters of the Gulf of Khambhat (Cambay) in India. This is long before the Egyptians or Sumerians. To me, this is definitive evidence of our advanced ancient past before the last age of ignorance.

What is mankind? It consists of different kinds of men. Different humans. Different related species. Neanderthals are now known to have created artwork on cave walls, wore jewelry and clothing, ceremoniously buried their dead, created tools, weapons, and even made glue! It is now known that Neanderthals and Denisovans interbred with our ancestors and contributed to our human gene pool. I'm just allowing your mind to consider that our history extends even further back than the modern Homo Sapien Sapien. We belong to a legacy of millions of years worth of history and development.

I feel this is the reason for secret societies. They may have the secrets... ancient records, technology, or knowledge that this all has happened. Imagine if the entire world faced global cataclysm. A small handful of people retain or rediscover advanced knowledge while the rest of the population bottle-necks with near extinction and starts over. These individuals that held and hid the knowledge would now be far more advanced than the other people starting over. They would be Elite and become "TPTB."

From Above Top Secret @ http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread821958/pg1

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