Thursday, 13 September 2012

Experiment shows medical doctors to be glorified drug dealers, easily manipulated by drug companies


Experiment shows medical doctors to be glorified drug dealers, easily manipulated by drug companies

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 by Mike Adams



Here’s some fascinating news in the world of medicine that really shows the drug racket -- the huge prescription drug scam taking place in this country today. Researchers sent a group of people, who said they saw the drug Paxil in a TV advertisement, into doctors’ offices. Many of these patients didn't even show signs of depression, but when they named the drug, 50 percent were diagnosed as having depression, and 55 percent were given a prescription for the exact prescription drug they named.

In fact, it turns out that when people named Paxil, they were more than five times as likely to be given a prescription for it than someone who didn't name it. This simple experiment demonstrates how many doctors are puppets of the pharmaceutical industry; they're glorified drug dealers.

I've been saying this for years, as have many others in the natural health community, but now this experiment clearly demonstrates it. Medical doctors claim to be scientifically trained. They claim to be rational people. They say that everything's a formula, so people are only given prescriptions that are medically necessary. But when a patient comes in and mentions the name of a drug, all that rationality and all that so-called scientific thinking gets thrown out the window. Over half the time, the doctor's just going to write out a prescription for the exact drug that the patient named, whether or not it is medically necessary.

In other words, the whole system of prescription drugs and using doctors is a giant con. When pharmaceutical companies run these advertisements directly to consumers, they know these consumers are going to go to their doctor and name the drug, resulting in a sale of that drug. And that's why direct-to-consumer advertising -- drug advertising on television, magazines, and so on -- remains legal. It was illegal, but the FDA legalized it in 1997 to generate profits for the drug companies that the FDA seems sworn to protect. Since then, the drug industry and prescriptions have boomed. Now we have more than 40 percent of the population on prescriptions, nearly all of which are medically unnecessary.

Prescription drugs by themselves are a giant sham, because none of them treat the underlying causes of ill health. They only mask the symptoms of disease, or try to interfere with the body's basic biochemistry. And the real story on these prescription drugs isn't being told, because these pharmaceutical companies are funding billions and billions of dollars each year in media advertising. They're controlling the budgets of these media companies by running so many ads. Because of this, the media companies out there don't want to say anything bad about these prescription drugs.

And so the message out there continues to be, "Take more drugs! Look, here's a miracle drug for cancer; here's a miracle drug for erectile dysfunction; here's a miracle drug for sinus congestion, high cholesterol, or high blood pressure..." They just name one thing after another. They run the ads, the patients hear the drug name, they run into their doctors' offices to request the drug, and they get a prescription. What a con!

And it's a brilliant con, because it involves so many different parties. The FDA makes sure these ads remain legal, and that the drug companies generate all sorts of profits. The FDA even makes sure dangerous drugs stay on the market even when they're killing people. And there are doctors who are trained at medical schools infiltrated by the drug companies. When doctors train for four years, they basically study some anatomy and physiology and then, of course, drugs, surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy. They learn how to diagnose diseases and think of them all as being chemical disorders that can be treated through pharmacology and prescription drugs. The drug companies practically run many of these medical schools.


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Glorified drug dealers

 

And now, experiments like this one reveal most general practitioner doctors as the glorified drug dealers that they are. They just write prescriptions for anyone who walks through the door. And that's really sad, because I know that's not the intention of many of these doctors, but the difficult and fascinating thing is that even doctors don't realize when they're being influenced. Patients certainly don't realize it.

Consumers are heavily influenced by TV advertising, yet if you survey 1,000 consumers and ask them if they're being influenced, over 900 will say, "No, we're not being influenced at all". They'll say, "I make my own rational decisions about what to buy or what not to buy, based on my own information. I don't pay attention to ads." And yet, study after study shows that ads actually work. Patients buy the products advertised and request prescriptions for advertised pharmaceuticals in their doctors' offices. Stated flatly, patients aren't aware that they're being influenced and neither are doctors.

Drug companies exploit this seduction, this form of influence, to create demand for products in the minds of consumers, and then to make sure these consumers go to their doctors' offices and request those products, thus generating sales.

 

How the drug machine really operates

 

And of course the pharmacists are all involved in this; they're just filling out the orders. They're like the little machine grinders in this whole system, this whole con of organized medicine. Somebody’s actually got to fill the bottles and dispense the pills, and that's what the pharmacists do. And somebody's got to write their prescriptions, that's what the doctors do. Somebody's got to act like they're providing an education on health, and that's what the medical schools do. Somebody's got to provide the so-called scientific evidence that provides some sort of justification for all of this, and that's what the medical journals do, and of course, they're largely funded by the drug companies. Finally, someone has to give all this the stamp of government approval, and that's what the FDA does.

So this whole sham, this whole drug racket, has many different players, most of whom are highly-paid professionals and smart people. Wouldn't it be great if they actually did something productive for society, rather than writing dangerous, highly toxic prescriptions out to people... rather than impairing the long-term health of our population to generate billions of dollars in profits for the pharmaceutical companies? Wouldn't it be great if all these smart people did something useful? Instead, they're just part of the drug racket, part of the system of organized medicine that masquerades as "scientific medicine."

 

Where's the science in scientific medicine?

 

I find the circular logic involved in all this fascinating, because we've again shown how the prescribing behavior of doctors is not rational. When a patient names a drug, all that training, rationality, and scientific thought just gets thrown out the window in favor of circular logic. For example, the organized medical community claims that all drugs approved by the FDA are scientifically sound. It's science-based medicine, because articles about those drugs have been published in the journals. And who edits those journals? Who are the gatekeepers who decide which articles get published and which ones don't? They are the doctors who are often on the payroll of drug companies. The drug companies fund the advertisements for the journals. And many of the FDA bureaucrats benefit financially, as they own stock options in these pharmaceutical companies.

Of course, the medical schools also rake in all sorts of money from doctors. So, what passes as organized or scientific medicine is actually whatever they say it is. It has no real scientific basis. Most of these studies are distorted anyway. You've seen how the drug companies will run twelve different studies on their drug, six of which will come up with positive results and six with negative. They bury the six that are bad and just show the six that are good. Those are the studies they forward to the FDA and say, "Look! Our drug is proven!" And the FDA will say, "It sure is! Let's rubber stamp this drug for approval!"

And then the drug companies say, “Let's start bribing doctors and giving them free trips, vacations, and lunches and let’s send them checks for $10,000 as a 'consulting fee.'" "Let's get those doctors to prescribe all of these drugs." And that's how the system works. It's all circular reasoning. There is no real science happening. The whole thing is a giant charade.

To top it off, the real healing efforts in alternative medicine are routinely discredited by organized medicine. These healers are using herbal medicine with over 2,500 years of proven clinical use and millions of hours of clinical experience. I'm talking about traditional Chinese medicine, Western herbs, Ayurvedic medicine, acupuncture, massage therapy, homeopathy and other modalities in the alternative medicine realm. Organized medicine says "Those aren't proven -- only our stuff is proven. Your stuff is not proven." But of course, all their stuff is the circular reasoning I was talking about. They dismiss everything outside of the corrupt system that generates profits for them.

 

Organized medicine is a lot like a cult

 

You see, scientific medicine is whatever the high priests of organized medicine deem it to be. This is why I've often described organized medicine as a cult; it is not science. True scientists ask nature what's going on. They try to find out how the universe really works. A true scientist is a humble person, a humble student, and a curious servant of nature. A true scientist runs experiments, or asks questions and tries to get nature to provide some answers.

But modern doctors, medical researchers, drug company executives, and FDA bureaucrats think they've conquered nature. They have egos so big it's amazing they can walk through doors. They think they are better than nature. They think they can overtake the nature of your body, overriding the chemistry. They think they can run your immune system, or that they can declare war on your body, attacking it with chemotherapy, radiation and other highly toxic therapies. They think they're smarter than nature.

They think they can take a plant out of nature, synthesize a molecule, and make it better. And then they can patent it and own the intellectual property, suing anybody else who tries to create the same molecule, even though nature has been creating the natural version of that molecule for eons. This is what the people in organized medicine think. They think they're the smartest people in the universe -- smarter than Mother Nature, smarter than God. And in fact, they're going to play God with your body using weird, freaky gene therapy experiments. They're putting human genes into plants now, trying to clone everything under the sun. They think they are God.

 

Real scientists are humble

 

Now a real scientist, as I said, is a humble servant of nature. A true scientist is curious and wants to find out how things work, and a true scientist, by the way, does not have a predefined set of filters in place that automatically reject new ideas. When Burzynski developed the antineoplastons for cancer therapies, a new therapy for actually curing cancer, organized medicine, if it had been scientific, should have welcomed his work with open arms. They should have said, "Thank God! Someone has come along with a cure for cancer. Thank God someone has some new theories." But no; they vilified him.

They turned him into a criminal. The FDA pursued him, sued him, oppressed him, and ostracized him from medicine. They've tried to suppress his work. Why? He had real solutions. If they have a cure for cancer, what would that mean for all the anti-cancer drugs out there? Think how many people would lose their jobs if there were a cure for cancer.

Some people would say that our national economy depends on cancer, and it depends on having all these chronic diseases. Gotta have diabetes; otherwise, what's going to happen to all these people employed in the medical community? What about all these nurses, pharmacists, doctors, researchers, people in the nonprofits, publishers, and drug company executives? What will they do for jobs if all these diseases are cured?

Some people would say it would be a national security issue, because if you cure these diseases, then suddenly the economy changes. Suddenly you've got a lot of people out of work. And so, I believe the organized medical system doesn't want cures for these diseases. In fact, they have gone out of their way to vilify these cures, to filter them out or to discredit them. They don't want cures for these diseases; they want drugs to manage them. They want a patient who has to buy a pill today, tomorrow, and every day, for the rest of his life, because that generates profits. They don't want something to cure that patient, sending him away healthy and happy and never in need of more drugs, surgeries, or imaging tests. Just like crack dealers, they want somebody who's addicted to their drugs. They want somebody who's going to smoke that crack every day for the rest of their lives.

Pharmaceutical companies are the same way. They want somebody who's stuck on their drugs, who depends on them. That's why you often read about "disease management" in organized medicine’s literature. “Disease management” is even used in reference to chronic stress, which is a big killer. It depletes antioxidants, raises blood pressure, is bad for your cardiovascular health, and even promotes cancer. But when those in organized medicine talk about stress, they often use the term "stress management." Let's manage your stress, so that you can have a little bit of stress each and every day. And you still depend on us to manage it.

I prefer to teach people how to ELIMINATE stress, to be stress free. Same thing with diseases. Doctors say there's no cure for diabetes. I say hogwash! There are many cures for diabetes. Adult-onset type 2 diabetes is one of the easiest diseases to reverse, and I mean completely reverse, through diet, nutrition, and lifestyle changes. You don't need a single drug to treat that disease. Cancer is much the same way. It is one of the easiest diseases to reverse, as long as it hasn't got so advanced that the patient's own immune system is completely shot. Your body has already reversed cancer 1,000 times or more in your lifetime; your immune system gets rid of cancer cells all the time. If you're diagnosed with cancer, it's because your immune system failed. If that happens, curing your cancer really just involves reminding your immune system how to do its job and giving it the nutritional tools that it needs to heal itself.

 

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Why doctors hate the internet

 

So the overall theme to all of this is of course that organized medicine is a giant scam. The defenders of that system are really frustrated today, because experiments like this reveal that doctors just prescribe whatever patients name. Patients will get prescriptions for whatever drugs they mention. Doctors hate the internet, too, by the way. They think that patients who get information online are dangerous, because people shouldn't educate themselves. Doctors think all online health information should be censored, approved by the FDA. They think that you shouldn't be able to talk about health, disease treatment, or drugs online. It's dangerous for people to have too much information, don't you know. A little bit of book burning would go right along with that.

But the whole system is a sham, and, by the way, it is failing. It is on its way out. Organized medicine will soon be history, because patients are realizing that it doesn't work. They are figuring out that taking a lot of prescription drugs multiplies their risk of death, and they are also realizing that prescription drugs don't really help them in any significant way. Yes, they might mask symptoms on a temporary basis, but they don't make anyone fundamentally healthier over the long term. In fact, people are discovering that they feel terrible when they take these drugs. They feel more fatigued; they start having brain fog; their muscles hurt; then they have side effects to treat with more prescription drugs. It's just a cascading set of symptoms and drugs, which is good for profits in the pharmaceutical industry, but doesn't help people.

 

 The FDA and crimes against humanity

 

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I guess the body count has to really get huge before the FDA says something's dangerous. I don't know; 60,000 people sounds like a lot of people dead to me, especially since the Bush administration started a second war in Iraq over the deaths of far fewer people than that. Where's the war on Big Pharma and the FDA who are collectively killing 100,000+ Americans each year?

I often compare this atrocity to the Vietnam War. We lost about 50,000 Americans in it. This means that one class of prescription drugs all by itself has killed more Americans than the entire Vietnam War. And yet, the FDA says, "Oh, it's safe. It's safe!" Well, apparently it's more dangerous than being shot at on the battlefield. But that's safe enough for the FDA.

 

How many Americans have to die?

 

I often wonder what the threshold is here. Do we have to have a chemical holocaust in this country before the FDA wants to do something to protect people? I mean, how many people have to die before we ban drug advertising on television. How many people? The body count keeps adding up each and every day, but the machine keeps on running, and all of organized medicine’s defenders keep on defending it. They say, "Oh yeah. Come on in. Get your drugs. We'll write them out for you. Go to your pharmacist, and get them prescribed for you. Keep taking them every day. What, do you have a pain? Here's another drug. Do you feel down? Oh! We've got a drug for that too. That's right. Oh, you feel nervous in front of people? Have trouble speaking in public? We have a drug for that, and bring in your kids too! We have drugs for them. They have trouble learning or concentrating? Are they too playful? We can 'tone down' that creativity and learning ability. We can keep them under control. Oh, yeah! Bring your husband in too; we have stuff for him. Stuff for his prostate, and give him a little bit of Viagra. We have prescriptions for everything!"

 

Smart people are ditching conventional medicine

 

Who uses prescription drugs today? I'll tell you who. People who don't know any better. In contrast, people who are informed about health -- intelligent, well-educated, smart people -- are turning to natural medicine, natural health. They're focusing on their foods and on avoiding the toxins in the food supply. They're avoiding dangerous personal care products, artificial fragrances, deodorants containing aluminum, and shampoos with unnatural ingredients.

They are engaging in physical exercise, body movement, cardiovascular training, strength training, tai chi, Pilates, martial arts, and swimming - you name it. And they're exercising their brains by turning off the television and engaging in creative activities. Even game playing with friends is good for your brain. Crossword puzzles are a great exercise. These are the things that well-educated people are doing.

This is what the healthy people in our society have figured out works. It's all about the foods; it's all about the exercise. It's getting natural sunlight on your skin, drinking fresh water, and avoiding all those consumer products the corporations want you to buy. They want you to buy the soft drinks, the snack chips, the homogenized milk products, all those sweets and candies, drugs, cosmetics, personal care products, perfumes and colognes, air fresheners, carpet cleaners, and dryer sheets. Boy, they want you to buy that stuff! But none of that stuff makes you healthy; in fact, most of it gives you disease.

 

Only uneducated people will rely on prescription drugs

 

Soon, organized medicine will be relegated only to those extremely uneducated people in society. It's going to be the low-income, low-education people who turn to organized medicine. This is the same crowd, by the way, that smokes a lot of cigarettes and buys a lot of brand name foods. People with low wages tend to have a lot of chronic diseases, and are the ones who are stuck in the system of organized medicine. Unfortunately, and I often mention this, these are the people that we need to help the most. It's difficult to do that, as it's hard to educate people who often aren't really open to new ideas. They just want to know if they're covered by health insurance, and that's it. They don't really want to learn about what to eat and what not to eat.

 

The dark history of modern medicine

 

But the future of medicine is in disease prevention, healing modalities, and energetic medicine -- phototherapy, electromedicine, vibrational nutrition, homeopathy, and so on. The future of medicine is in true healing. And I believe that in the future, people will look back at the time period we're in right now and be amazed. They'll say, "How could these people have just poisoned the entire population with chemicals, and even advertised them on TV!? How could people even call themselves doctors when all they did was write prescription drugs for people? They're just drug dealers. How dare they even call themselves doctors? And how could the medical schools not even teach nutrition? How could it be?!" Foods and nutrition are the foundation of health, yet doctors are being given virtually no education whatsoever in this area.

I tell you, future historians will look back at this time and they will think we were absolutely nuts. They will think we were crazy. They will think we were off our rockers to poison the entire population through our food supply, and then try to mask the symptoms of that through more poison called "prescription drugs." The whole system is absurd.

So I say the game is up. The whole system is a fraud. We now know it, thanks to the internet, to some really creative studies coming out, to the statistics, and to people like Dr. David Graham -- the FDA’s chief drug safety scientist who has been willing to stand up and tell the truth about these dangerous Cox-2 inhibitors. Thanks to people like that, we now know the truth. We know the FDA is corrupt. We know the drug companies are out to exploit every American citizen just to make a profit, no matter how many people are killed. We know that doctors are just glorified drug dealers, and we know that medical schools are nothing but pre-training for glorified drug dealing. It's all a sad joke!

 

Why would you want to be an old-school anyway?

 

People like Dr. Andrew Weil are trying to make changes out there. He's more effective in the medical community than a guy like me, as I just tend to anger all the doctors. But he actually works with them, because he's an MD; he can help doctors transition from old school medicine to new school medicine. I really admire his work. He's doing a fantastic job, and he can speak the language of general practitioners. He knows how to talk to MDs in their language. I don't, and I don't try to. I think MDs are irrelevant because naturopathic physicians are the future. I think MDs should go out and change their careers. Go to Bastyr University and get a real education in health. MDs, you’re on the way out.

We need a nation where the smartest people -- the professionals, the pharmacists, the doctors, the researchers, and so on -- actually engage in things that help people, not things that hurt people. I mean, it should be common sense, right? Shouldn’t our smartest people be thinking about ways to actually help people be healthier instead of just keeping them diseased and on drugs for the rest of their lives? I think so.

 

Join the natural health community

 

If you're reading this, chances are that you already know most of this. You're already taking care of your health in a way that far exceeds what most people are doing. You have probably already experienced some of the benefits of natural health, or maybe you've experienced some of the negative side effects of prescription drugs and are ready to make a change now. Well, I say, "Welcome to the light side of the force!" Things are good over here. We are healthier. We're happier. We have good, solid self-esteem without huge egos. We feel comfortable about who we are, and we can help heal others around us by sharing information about what really works. We know when to say no to the drug companies, the doctors, or the pharmaceutical companies. We know how to be skeptical consumers.

So I encourage you to keep investigating, and keep investing in yourself. Keep learning more about health, nutrition, and wellness. And don't follow your doctor's advice if he or she says all of this is useless and discourage you from learning on your own. Fire that doctor and find yourself a new one. Work with a doctor who encourages you to educate yourself. Work with a doctor who takes the time to sit down and talk to you about lifestyle changes that can make a difference. Work with a doctor who can help you get off of prescription drugs to return to normal, healthy body function. And there are many doctors out there like that.

Again, I don't mean to paint every doctor into the same corner; just because they have the initials MD after their names, it doesn't mean they're complete idiots when it comes to health. Many doctors actually do understand health, and in fact, most of the people I admire out there, those who are the real pioneers in natural health, started out as MDs. Some of the best authors are MDs.

So examine doctors with caution. Make sure they know something beyond medical school because medical school's a joke. It's what they learned outside of medical school that really matters. And it's also how they're willing to work with you. Are they willing to communicate? Do they listen to you? Did they ask you good questions? Do they really have compassion for you, and do they really seem to have an interest in your health outcome, rather than just getting you out of the office so they can see the next patient? You have a choice, and I encourage you to exercise that choice.



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8 comments:

  1. I think the smartest people should definitely be in charge, if they are truely selfless. Go and grab yourself a doctorate, and take the reins.

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  2. WHile I agree with the general conclusions here - if you are going to go on about studies like this it is necessary to link to the actual source study and/or give more details - or you ruin your own credibility. The writer does this not only at the beginning of the article but again and again throughout. This is an important issue and it deserves to be argued properly not just throwing figures around and preaching to the converted ...

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    1. Fair point. The short answer is see The Power of Drug Advertising:
      Study Reveals Patients Often Get What They Ask For ~

      Direct-to-consumer prescription drug advertising – a $3.2 billion industry in the United States – not only sways patients to ask for certain medications, but profoundly influences the way doctors make initial treatment decisions, according to an April 27 study in JAMA.

      University of Rochester Medical Center Professor Ronald M. Epstein, M.D., had a lead role in the research, which focused on antidepressants, as they consistently rank among the top advertised drugs. The study showed that doctors prescribed antidepressants far more often when patients asked for them. Furthermore, the study revealed that consumer advertising may have competing effects on health-care quality, by promoting the overuse of drugs in some cases while also averting under use and raising consumer awareness of disease.

      The study was a collaborative effort between the UR Department of Family Medicine and University of California, Davis, Center for Health Services. Corresponding author is Richard L. Kravitz, M.D., MSPH, at UC/Davis.

      “One thing is clear: patients can prompt physicians to provide better care. Drug ads are one way of getting patients to prompt their physicians – but it is not the best way,” Epstein says. “When patients brought up non-commercial information they were more likely to get the correct treatment than if they brought up the drug advertisement.”

      The study was conducted from May 2003 to May 2004. The research team trained actors to pose as patients for the randomized trial, in which 298 visits were made to 152 primary care and general internists offices in Rochester, Sacramento and San Francisco. The actors surreptitiously audio-recorded the visits with small devices hidden in their purses. Doctors were recruited to take part and were reimbursed $100 per visit, plus $100 for completing surveys and $75 for staff expenses. When doctors agreed to participate and to being secretly audio-recorded, they were only told that the study would involve seeing patients who would present with a “combination of common symptoms” over the course of a year. After the study was completed, physicians were debriefed and they gave permission to use the data...
      Continues @ http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/news/story/index.cfm?id=771

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  3. So encourage you to keep investigating, and keep investing in yourself. Keep learning more about health, nutrition, and wellness. And don't follow your doctor's advice if he or she says all of this is useless and discourage you from learning on your own.

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  4. what an ill informed vile page. You should be ashamed of your ignorance and blatant stupidity. There is no room in a modern world for morons such as you.

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    1. Seems we have a comment from a docturd who wishes to remain anonymous

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  5. Yes, lets have another doctor comment on this.
    While I fully condone your stance on healthy living and taking responsibility for your own health, I feel you are not helping a fair discussion by demonising the entire medical system as it is today. I agree that a lot can and should be said about the way pharmaceutical companies operate, and I am in many ways unimpressed with their pharmacopeia. But I feel the solution is not to throw the baby out with the bathing water, and evaluate - as adults, what has worth and what not.
    I am really convinced that I safe peoples lives on a regular bases, for instance when they have decompensatio cordis, pneumonia, acute psychotic episodes coming with dementia - the drugs I give do not cure the patient: after treatment they still have heart failure, they still have COPD, they still have dementia , but I yet have to meet 1 patient succesfully cured from such conditions by a naturopath. To suggest that any person could cure such conditions, REALLY cure them, is making a big claim. And since so much pain and misery goes along with these conditions, I would suggest being very careful making such claims - before spreading false promises and misguided information which makes the lives of these unfortunate people even more difficult. It may be, that if you avoid unhealthy factors, that you will live longer and stay healthy longer, but even if you start living like a Saint, you are still mortal, and you can still get sick. If naturopathic remedies cure that sickness: blessings for you, and please tell me about it - I may safe some other persons life that way; but if those remedies do not help, in my opinion it is just plain stupid not to go to an allopathic doctor and see what they can do. Since this is not about what you believe in, but about survival.

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  6. 🐾🐶People are starting to wake up what concerns me is they then take their "beloved" companion animal to a veterinarian who practices exactly the same kind of sick care, drug based, never cure style medicine. Vet industry is actually worse because there are no laws to protect your animals when they make bad choices. Or charge you for drugs that make your animal sicker. There are holistic vets now who do the same medicine as NDs. There is an American holistic vet association listing holistic Vets across the United States.

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